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Lou Coolidge's avatar

I enjoyed your examination of the ways that belief in secular values can be similar to religious belief, but am totally unpersuaded by your call for the non-religious to use the word "God". Taking two of the reasons you give,

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> It lets us speak to religious people on their own terms, and understand them better

I don't see how a believer and a non-believer, both using the word "God" (but, by definition, meaning different things) could do anything but frustrate understanding. If, by "religious people", you don't actually mean people who _truly_ believe a particular religion (maybe you shunt all those people to the "fundamentalist" category), than both sides would be engaging in dishonesty by referring to God.

Additionally, this reason comes off as extremely patronizing. "I don't really believe in the supernatural stuff, but I'll use your 'God' word so you dumb dumbs can understand me."

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> I want to reclaim the term “God” from the only people who seem fully comfortable using it today: religious fundamentalists... By ceding it to fundamentalists, I fear we have given them control of our shared future.

I truly do not understand what you are referring to, here. Who are the religious fundamentalists that you fear we are in danger of giving control of the future to?

If anyone has unjustly "claimed" the word "God", surely it is not the "fundamentalist" who actually mean it literally. I don't see how you feel you have the moral high ground to "reclaim" it.

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Again, I enjoyed your engagement with these ideas, and appreciate you putting your thoughts out there.

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Jacob O'Bryant's avatar

I think you would enjoy this interview: https://www.mormonstories.org/undefining-god-with-john-hamer/

Part of what Hamer talks about is how before the Enlightenment, people's conception of God was a lot less literal than it is now, and he argues that it was better the old way.

I think your argument of adopting a non-literal definition of 'God' as a way to understand religious people makes sense, and IMO that seems like the best takeaway from the Hamer interview.

He tries to make the case for formerly religious people to use the term God to mean "goodness" or whatever other definition is meaningful to you personally... or something like that. I didn't really get it (if you define "God" to mean "goodness", why not just say "goodness"?)--perhaps I'm too steeped in post-Enlightenment culture :).

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